Extraordinary Stories of Ordinary Life

My Lunch With Nelson Mandela

Nelson Mandela

Nelson Mandela. (Photo via the Nelson Mandela Foundation)

Back in 2003-2004, I spent more than a year trying to get an interview with Nelson Mandela for our series Mandela: An Audio History. Mandela has since retired from public life, but even back then his press secretary had created a fortress around him.

I’ve never tried so hard for anything in my life. We had Mandela’s daughter, his doctor, friends from Robben Island, all trying to help us get us an interview with him. But it never worked out. In some ways, an interview with Mandela wasn’t really that important for our series. Mandela has never been a very good interview subject; he rarely says anything personal or reflective. For such a charismatic person, he is actually one of the least charismatic speakers in world history. Plus we had already collected plenty of old Mandela interviews from various archives. But there were four simple words that no previoius interviewer ever seemed to get from Mandela… and they were pretty important for our unscripted style of documentary: “My name is Nelson Mandela.”

One day, I got a call from Mandela’s friend and long-time doctor, Nthato Motlana, who was a big supporter of our project (Dr. Motlana was an inspiring man, and he died a few years ago.) Dr. Motlana suggested I come with him to Soweto where Mandela was receiving a big award and maybe there would be a chance to meet him and do a brief interview. I went. The event was a bust. I was in a sea of journalists, politicians, and celebrities all wanting to see Mandela; the closest I got to him was on the video monitor. Dr. Motlana offered to give me a ride back to Johannesburg after the event.  On the way, we stopped in front of a big house. Dr. Motlana went in past the security guard while I stayed on the sidewalk and waited. Ten minutes later, the guard signaled for me to follow. I was brought into the yard, then into the house, then into the living room, then into the dining room. And there, at the dining room table, I could see the back of that unmistakable head. Nelson Mandela, his wife, Graça Machel, one of his daughters, two of his grandsons, and Dr. Motlana were all sitting down for lunch. There was an extra chair and place setting… for me.

It was one of the strangest and most thrilling moments of my life: I had lunch with Nelson Mandela and his family. (Because you’re wondering: pork chops, swiss chard, and rice. Strawberries for desert.)

After lunch, Dr. Motlana, Mandela and I went to the living room for coffee. And finally—after more than a year—I got my interview. I had long dreamed about the one thing I would ask Nelson Mandela to say into my microphone if I ever had the chance to interview him. But when the moment finally came I just wasn’t brave enough to ask him to repeat these words:

“Hello, this is Nelson Mandela. Sue and Joe aren’t home right now, but please leave a message at the beep.”

In the end, Mandela generously recorded an introduction to our radio series, speaking about the importance of understanding one’s own history. And I left his house feeling like I would take a bullet for that man.

—Joe Richman

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